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Нere we discuss in English. But for other languages let us create special Community Portals. Dmitrismirnov 03:14, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

I agree. And what about other portals too (for instance : Poetry portal, XXth century portal, and so on) ? --Zephyrus 05:39, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
This would be useful in the future, but for now it is propably too early. We are too small group. Dmitrismirnov 10:58, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

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Confusion

I think to avoid a mash, it is necessary to stop mixing of Russian/English/French texts once and for all. Givi 10:45, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I do not see a confusion. As we all know, from 24 July 2007 the default language become English here (fefor this it was French). I find convenient that pages on any other languages including Russian are accessible to everyone who has no special knowledge of Cyrillics alphabet. I think it is right condition if we are going to keep this site at the international level. It also would be good to know the opinion of Yann. Dmitrismirnov 11:21, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Mixing of texts in different languages is just not aesthetically. However, let's ask Yann at first. Givi 11:30, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Project logo

We need to change logo! The current logo is very-very stock. Who have proposals? Givi 11:51, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Accept Not-PD-US-URAA images here?

Hello to all! I am Jusjih as an administrator on 11 Wikimedia sites covering six types of Wiki projects. As there are uncertainties to images tagged with commons:Template:Not-PD-US-URAA I would like to request comments as to whether to accept them here provided they are PD in Canada. Even though Canada and the USA do not accept the rule of the shorter term, copyrighting for life + 50 years in Canada is much less lethal than in the USA.--Jusjih 22:07, 19 April 2008 (EDT) (admin on Wikimedia Commons, English and Chinese Wikisources, and more)

As far as I know, Canada accepts the rule of shorter term, so yes, Wikilivres accepts them. Yann 04:42, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
You mean subsection 9(2) of the Canadian Copyright Act, right? Even so, the rule of shorter term does not apply to North American Free Trade Agreement member states, so the USA and Mexican works would not apply. By the way, as Wikimedia Commons will not be able to legally or fairly have any galleries to host Not-PD-US-URAA images, I would like to propose allowing image galleries here to host them provided that they are PD in Canada. However, I consider that article name-space should not merely host image galleries as on Commons.--Jusjih 21:05, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
Yes, right. For US works, it doesn't matter much, as they can be hosted on Wikimedia projects (Commons and Wikisource), and Wikilivres doesn't want to duplicate these projects. Yann 00:24, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Images is another issue, mainly of ressources. Hosting a lot of images would quickly bring this server down, so I wouldn't advertise Wikilivres as a multimedia hosting site for now. Yann 00:27, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Hosting a lot of images would quickly bring this server down... Sorry, I didn't know this. This is why I uploaded so many images. You had to tell me this at the very beginning... I can take off some of them if you wish. Yours, Dmitri Dmitrismirnov 05:27, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Well, when I say many, I mean many like if we'd have thousands of images. Now we have 291 images, there are not so many yet. ;o) Hopefully we'll find later a solution for a bigger server, so we can have a lot of images. Yann 06:12, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Then do not take them in bulk yet. I have posted at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_site_feedback#Foundation_licensing_policy_and_American_non-acceptance_of_the_rule_of_the_shorter_term where you are invited to see.--Jusjih 20:56, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

I was referred here by Jusjih on a thread in regards to images which are PD in Canada, but not in the US. Does Wikilivres have any plans to expand into the domain of images? Does anyone know of a site which does this? Would anyone here be interested in joining such a project? Padraic 10:44, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I am very eager to expand Wikilivres to other documents. However there are several issues to solve to accomplish that:
  1. Server capacity. The actual server cannot support an important increase of uploads and downloads (maybe not more than 3-4 times the actual rate). With images, this limit would be rapidely met.
  2. The name Wikilivres is not appriopriate for a multimedia hosting site.
This was already discussed at the English Wikisource. The best solution would be that the site to be taken over by Wikimedia Canada or another Canadian organisation. I would accept such a transfer if the organisation continues the project. Yann 13:20, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Can you supply the link to where it was discussed at en.source? Padraic 18:18, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Here it is en.ws:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2008-04#Copyright_issues: what do we do next? Yann 02:39, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Hopefully a Wikimedia chapter outside the USA, such as Wikimedia Canada, will host Not-PD-US-URAA images. As Padraic has said, Wikilivres is not very good to host them due to server limit and site name. As we accept CC-BY-NC but Wikimedia does not, I cannot expect Wikimedia Foundation to take over this site.--Jusjih 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to suggest Wikimedia Foundation to be more aware of our concerns. If it keeps ignoring our concerns, I would like to suggest boycotting donations to it.--Jusjih 03:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I understand that the aims of WMF doesn't include lobbying for copyright changes, so that's why your petition is ignored. We have to find our own solutions, and that's why I started this site. Yann 07:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
WMF ignoring my petition is no problem while I am less and less caring about it. However, its ignoring the question as to the feasibility to open a non-American server is a major problem why Commons admins are reluctant to delete Not-PD-US-URAA images and I boycott donation. As ws:user:555, a Brazilian, has reported at ws:Wikisource:2008 that Portuguese Wikisource is to delete hundreds of pages due to American non-acceptance of the rule of the shorter term but we have no Portuguese page here, I am inviting him to tell his fellow users of this Canadian site.--Jusjih 01:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I installed a reverse proxy, so that a big part of the traffic is cached. I will also soon increase the capacity of the server. Wikilivres can now host quite a lot of images without performance issues. Yann 22:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

More localization

Hello, I think that Wikilivres:Demandes and Wikilivres:Prix littéraires could be translated and localized. It is probably better than having all requests and literary awards in one page. What do you think? Yann 00:39, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Yes, this is reasonable and helpful. Dmitrismirnov 05:23, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
I started translating what the French title would mean. What does localization mean here anyway?--Jusjih 20:56, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
It adapting the page to the language, i.e. French prizes for French, British and American prizes for English, etc. Yann 03:44, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Good idea, but the requests for new articles should be limited to those that can be hosted here but not Wikisource. Perhaps we should note this in English and French article request pages.--Jusjih 21:20, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Yes, right. Yann 04:07, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Interlanguage links for multilingual licences

To reduce the need to post excessive multilingual licences in one page and modeled after Wikimedia Commons, I have decided to add interlanguage links to Template:DP-Canada, Template:DP-Canada-Auteur (no Russian found), and Template:DP-Canada-Traduction (French and Russian only).--Jusjih 22:01, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Excellent idea! Yann 09:54, 24 May 2008 (EDT)
However, I have found my way causing too many pages linked to licences in virtually all language versions. When I have time, I will check how Wikimedia Commons works.--Jusjih 03:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Never mind. What I have done is similar to what happens on Wikimedia Commons.--Jusjih 03:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

How to link to Meta and Wikiquote?

Are Commons: w: wikt: s: b: n: q: m: working properly? I have found linking to Wikimedia sites somewhat hard. I have not found how to link to Meta and Wikiquote.--Jusjih 03:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Milestone: 6000th page

Wikilivres has now 6000 pages.- --Zephyrus 10:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Gadget

Hello, With the gadget extension and some Javascript, headers can be preloaded when we open a page. This saves a lot of work. It already works fine for English texts. For other languages, we have to find a solution. A possibility is to add a "lang" tag to the "title" template. This is easy, but not completely satisfactory, and I could not find better for now. Another possibility would be to modify the script so that it can deal with templates in other languages. It might be complicated. Does someone want to try? Any other idea? See Help:Preloaded templates. Yann 15:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Localization

Hello, I added a bit more of localization. If you have any suggestions, please do. Yann 12:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Sergey completed with localized titles:

Add it here if you need more. Yann 13:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

It works very well. Sergey and Yann, congratulations!- --Zephyrus 06:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to see that my simple idea is accepted so cordially. ;-) -- Sergey kudryavtsev 08:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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